is there any loopholes?? Posted: 22 June 2010. Very good. PRS will act also for PPL for Community Buildings, PPL will act also for IRS for music for Sport Clubs and CCLI can act also for PRS for music and PPC for churches. I understand the music industry's predicament with illegal downloads and I still buy CD's but I think this is yet another tax on enjoyment. "A PRS licence is required for any 'mechanical performance' of copyright music as a background to work, meals, rest rooms or breaks at work places in the UK. The PRS is a not-for-profit organisation that collects royalties on behalf of composers, authors and publishers. Scotland Today in news nipslip outrage. We have a TV licence to cover the premises just in case anyone watches the TV over the internet, this also covers the use of the radio. I actually support the PRS in the current YouTube thingy... they have after all made millions of pounds out of broadcasting copyrighted material for next to nothing (and for a long time paid nothing at all) but I don't understand why businesses have to pay to have the radio on in an office. MCPRS (Previously PRS) and PPL are royalty collection agencies in the UK for collecting the royalties for the use of the composition and performance of a piece of music in public places (amongst other uses) respectively. If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. Please note, if you play music that is outside of PRS for Music’s control, you may need an additional licence from the relevant copyright owner(s). dwilkie. We'll need a licence next to drive in our cars. If you were to play royalty-free music in your shop you wouldn’t need to bother paying for a licence. The UK’s music licensing organisations PPL and PRS for Music have been issuing licences and collecting music royalties for decades. If you use, play or listen to recorded music in your business, the chances are you need a music licence. Hi just posted on another PRS thread but s this is a newer one thought I'd post here as well. 23. This joint venture means that businesses and organisations playing or performing music in public can now obtain a single licence, TheMusicLicence. Thanks x 1; List ; Azimuth UKBF Newcomer Free Member. 12/03/09 - 11:35 #28. i wish they would!!!! We'll need a licence next to drive in our cars. PRS for Music - Production Music Licence Manager. Things to be … Possible loophole? I am waiting for the day to arrive when they start nicking the "wallybrains" who play music on their phones in public:D . 0. silentnight Posts: 96. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Clarify-PRS/, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/04/patents_pirates_and_ipods.html. After a longstanding smuggling network was exposed in the recent "meat cartel" scandal, another loophole in the inspection … or is that it, I have to work in silence from now on? PRS Licence - Loophole . So providing a TV in a staff canteen requires an employer to buy an annual PRS music licence, not just a TV licence. You still will need the PRS licence. They want 63 quid off me for listening to Radio 4 in my little shop and on looking into it, I also need a PRS licence which will cost me 200 quid for the first year. Seems silly. So providing a TV in a staff canteen requires an employer to buy an annual PRS music licence, not just a TV licence. We have received a demand from the PRS to apply for a licence, which I calculate will be £350- £700 or risk fines, legal action etc etc. Posted: Aug 4, 2017 By: Bob Dunn Member since: May 9, 2016 #19. the radio station has paid the PRS so the listener owes nothing. PRS told me you need a license … Potential developers, investors, funders and public and private student accommodation providers should be aware of the significant changes to residential landlord and tenant law effected by … You might be interested to know that music released before 31 December 1962 is now public domain and does not require a PPL licence. Joined Mar 8, 2006 Messages 457 Reaction score 2 Location staffordshire . Imagine that you own a small store or cafe. To apply for a premium rate service (“PRS”) licence, all providers must first register with ComReg to set up an online account. Its policy change comes days after presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg exploited a loophole to run such humorous messages promoting his campaign on the accounts of popular Instagram personali For many businesses, the typical fee is a few hundred pounds a year. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. A big artist - and even reasonably small ones does get a cut from the PRS licences and for them it is a viable and good source of income. 0. johnnyoxford Posts: 722. 180 months. You might be interested to know that music released before 31 December 1962 is now public domain and does not require a PPL licence. Between the three of them that amounts to around £700 a year to listen to the radio. The loophole I am referring to is being able to clear an eTA application ( despite being a PR) and travelling with a visa-exempt passport ( not revealing you are a PR). That's a tiny amount to pay to improve staff working conditions. this is getting so out of hand! Listening in the workplace – why do I need a music licence? Nick is a livestreaming and social video expert and leads the Switcher Studio team as CEO and co-founder. Forum Member. PPL and PRS for Music continue to set their respective public performance tariffs separately. This is a separate process to obtaining a licence. I don't care about what people say the PRS are sanctioned criminals and IMHO the line gets drawn here! Again picking on the guys on the ground. oh for pities sakes why are people so gullible? All Rights Reserved. They simply apply the Law. What will happen to if I continue to play music in my workplace without a licence? Find out what this means for you. Discussion. After a lifelong residency in New York City, President Donald Trump is officially trading in the skyscrapers of the Big Apple for the palm trees of the Sunshine State. Contact +44 (0) 20 3741 3888 9am–5.30pm, Mon–Fri; applications@prsformusic.com Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. Both PRS for Music and PPL have agreed that they will grant a 'grace period' of not less than 12 months from the date of the removal of the exemptions from the legislation for organisations to obtain the necessary licenses. What's the ruling if you work at a radio station? Does that make a difference? Wiltshire Constabulary refused to pay PRS for Music for a £32,000 licence fee in April 2009. The way I … vesey Posts: 375. I am self-employed. All Rights Reserved. What's the difference between 100 people listening to 100 radios (no PRS) and 100 people listening to 1 radio (PRS due)? If so, has anyone ever been prosecuted for failing to do so. 788 posts. PRS licence - is there a loophole? its gonna cost us about £300 and there is no way my boss will pay that in the current climate! If I go to the barbers and he has BBC Radio 2 playing in the salon then I cant see why the shop has to have a PRS licence to let me listen to the output that I have already paid a licence fee for and am entitled to listen to. Registered in England. No approval required, publishing and master rights cleared for the life of your production with one simple online application. PPL PRS Ltd launched the joint licence on 26 February 2018 and offers a single licence, called TheMusicLicence, on behalf of both PRS … basically even if you have a PRS licence you are STILL breaking the law as you dont have a PPL licence its absolutely crazy! Wednesday 23rd September 2009. The registration process is a once-off process and there is no cost involved in registering as a PRS provider. so just make sure it's someones birthday in the pub I mean what's the chances of it being someones birthday everyday. Since 2014, he has led the company to partnerships with Facebook Live, LinkedIn, Microsoft … I've heard that i need to apply for more than 1 licence. Maybe just don't pay and see if anything happens. Despite popular belief, you only need TheMusicLicence to play artists who TheMusicLicence / PPL / PRS for Music represent. It's just background music to give the place a bit of atmosphere, no one is being charged for such a service. The radio station has already paid PRS and if it's OK to listen on headphones..? http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/listen/at_work.html?utm_source=left_nav, http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/music_for_businesses/Pages/FAQ.aspx#4, http://www.ipo.gov.uk/consult-musiclicensing-summary.pdf, http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/radio/workersplaytime.htm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7029892.stm. I've just received a slightly abrupt letter from the PPL licencing chaps. Learn more. However on a 'rumour' I was told that we could play music (cd's brought from home, I.e hmv/shop bought ect) in our foyer area as background music. PPL PRS Ltd. Ok so the rules as written are far too stringent but where do you start drawing the line? Thread starter claire bear; Start date Aug 26, 2014; Help Support SalonGeek: C. claire bear Well-Known Member. In a letter to the editor of Playboy retired intelligence operative Nicolas Anderson describes important details left out of article . I find it a stupid carry on, all because they are struggling with the down turn in the economy. Forum Member. ... my work have just received a letter saying we need a PRS licence to have our radio on. The radio station has already paid PRS and if it's OK to listen on headphones..? There are certain circumstances under which you will not need to obtain a licence to use copyright music in your business. PHD Legal advice takes a look at the dangerous effects it has. Aggressive bastards. Employers should write to the radio station telling them they have stopped listening because of PRS costs. Even the PRS website is vague on the rules, if Absolute know that its ok for 3 or less people to listen to a station why are the PRS not stating this? PRS for Music and PPL, the UK’s two music collecting societies, have joined forces to set up PPL PRS Ltd, a joint venture combining the two societies’ public performance licensing activities. ©2020 Hearst UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 30 Panton Street, Leicester Square, London, SW1Y 4AJ. PRS Licence. I may be wrong here, but wasn't the law changed fairly rec cently so that as long as you bought say a cd legally,you could copy it on to say an ipod for use in other locations. Garages have already been written to and been told turn it off or pay up. Obviously royalty-free music doesn’t include the chart hits or allow you to play the radio, so it’s not an option for everyone. Don't think this comes under the jurisdiction of the PRS- or does it??? New customers of both PRS for Music and PPL can obtain their joint music licence by calling 0845 140 0090. PRS for Music Production Music Licence Manager Log in; We represent over a million tracks of pre-cleared music from over 200 catalogues. I am in the situation of working at an arts centre where we require all our visiting companies to licence themselves for what they want to play in shows as we do not have a PRS licence. Under this arrangement, PRS for Music acts as an agent for PPL, issuing the new joint music licence that grants you the permission you need from both organisations to play recorded music. If any payments under the licence become overdue, we will contact you by post, email or telephone. In addition we are chased every year for a PRS for Music and a PPL licence. Is there any music which isn’t covered by a licence from PRS for Music or PPL? Scanners not repaired for a year, possible avenue for smugglers at Westports. When do I Need a PRS Licence? Instead the force told all officer and civilian staff that music could no longer be played in their workplaces but that ban excluded patrol cars. Quite frankly, I think it's scandalous and would do pretty much anything to avoid adding to my business overheads. It's a bit bit a falacy to say that there's no real income from CD sales, or that there's been a dramatic fall in sales. All this PRS business sounds very much like a re-run of the "Home Taping" fiasco which reared it's ugly head in, was it the 70's? 21. But if we tuned to a radio station being rebroadcast on Sky (which we don't but go with me on this one) would that make us liable for PRS? I suspect that the law, and the requirement to have a PRS licence to distribute radio programmes within work places hasn't changed. Recent investigations have taken a look into a loophole which allows foreign drivers licences to be swapped for UK licences illegally causing multiple risks for the public. Seems silly. If a small shop is open six days a week, a PRS licence could cost the owner about 3p an hour. Reply Prev 1 2 3. of 4. PRS licence - is there a loophole? PPL PRS Ltd launched the joint licence on 26 February 2018 and offers a single licence, called TheMusicLicence, on behalf of both PRS for Music and PPL, to play or perform music in public. Is there any way around not paying ppl and prs music licence. 24. See here and it has left me wondering about PRS licences. Forum Member 11/03/09 - 13:16 in Radio #1. hi all, my work have just received a letter saying we need a PRS licence to have our radio on. Analysis UK performing rights society the PRS* has told its 111,000 members that it is now reluctantly suing SoundCloud after five years of fruitless negotiations, for refusing to properly compensate its members after streaming their works. If employees are listening to music through headphones a music licence would not be required because it does not constitute a public performance. Check out Absolute Radio's page about listening at work: Stream radio from a foreign station? The Law says that a radio playing in a shop/place of work - whatever - constitutes a Public Performance and royalties are therefore due. What you don't get is if people still accept this extortion then the PRS will carry on doing it. Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. and not purchase a PRS or PPL licence? Monday 26th October 2009. I can't give legal advice but I would say that would have you covered. I think the PRS should be abolished, no wonder everybody is doing things illegally, the model is unfair and unworkable. However, they have listened to feedback from you, their customers, who wanted a more straightforward approach to buying a licence … If the radio is turned off, morale will suffer and neither the music nor the adverts will be heard. Is it against the law not to have a licence? 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